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Post by Minnesota Twins on Mar 16, 2019 8:39:36 GMT -6
When we made the jump to proboards a few years back, there was a rule in place that didnt allow money past the following year being traded. We then got a solid group together and i didnt feel that rule was necessary. We have since lost members of that group and gained new, fresh faces. Hell, Beau is a great example and proof that sometimes even the best and most active owners go AWOL. But, We have built a Dynasty here and i want that to continue for as long as possible.
With that said, i think the rule needs to be re-established for the sake of ANY franchise and ultimitely for the sake of this league. I care way too much about this league and the time ive out into it to see any team damage their future so far advance. Id like to hear thoughts, and this needs to be decided by opening day.
I can say up front, i plan on their being 4 options: 1. No money traded past this year. 2. No money traded past next year. 3. No money traded past 2 years from now. 4. No money traded past 3 years from now. I still feel like this one might be pushin it.
Another topic of discussion that needs to be brought up is deferring contracts. Idk why i thought it was a good idea but it essentially does the same thing to a franchise that trading away a ton of money in the future does. It just sets up the franchise to potentially have a hard time in the future. I think contract deferral needs to be done away with. We can add on top of that that the teams with deferred contracts have to take on the real life contract (myself included in this) or let those contracts be grandfathered into the new rule. Again, open for discussion.
Also those reading, we have other rule discussion that were never finished and ill be getting back to those later today so we can get polls up and make decisions. I apologize for those stalling the way they did. Thats on me.
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Mar 16, 2019 13:04:46 GMT -6
I like the option of no money past next year or either no money past 2 years from now.
On deferred contracts, I agree that we need a better way of handling those, but I have no idea what that would look like.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Mar 16, 2019 13:09:57 GMT -6
I like the option of no money past next year or either no money past 2 years from now. On deferred contracts, I agree that we need a better way of handling those, but I have no idea what that would look like. I personally think you take the salary as it is. No money deferred. Money deferrals are nearly always many years out, which is the issue at hand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 13:36:56 GMT -6
I like the option of no money past next year or either no money past 2 years from now. On deferred contracts, I agree that we need a better way of handling those, but I have no idea what that would look like. I personally think you take the salary as it is. No money deferred. Money deferrals are nearly always many years out, which is the issue at hand. There has to be deferred money or guys like Scherzer could never be traded , also I like no trading past next year , thnx for asking about this , I think it goes better when the league majority can rule
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Mar 16, 2019 13:48:30 GMT -6
I personally think you take the salary as it is. No money deferred. Money deferrals are nearly always many years out, which is the issue at hand. There has to be deferred money or guys like Scherzer could never be traded , also I like no trading past next year , thnx for asking about this , I think it goes better when the league majority can rule I dont understand why scherzer could never be traded. Anyone can be traded if you are willing to pay some of a contract. His contract without deferrals is 35 mil each year for 3 years. Hes still a top pitcher and you can oay money. I cant agree with that thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 17:51:30 GMT -6
There has to be deferred money or guys like Scherzer could never be traded , also I like no trading past next year , thnx for asking about this , I think it goes better when the league majority can rule I dont understand why scherzer could never be traded. Anyone can be traded if you are willing to pay some of a contract. His contract without deferrals is 35 mil each year for 3 years. Hes still a top pitcher and you can oay money. I cant agree with that thought. Well I think if we are going to do real life salaries , we should do it across the brd , why should a guy who has Scherzer have to have a contract on his payroll that doesn’t conform to everyone else’s payroll , especially if that’s the only way u can afford him
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays on Mar 16, 2019 17:57:20 GMT -6
I’m def on board with doing away with deferred contracts.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Mar 16, 2019 19:35:52 GMT -6
I dont understand why scherzer could never be traded. Anyone can be traded if you are willing to pay some of a contract. His contract without deferrals is 35 mil each year for 3 years. Hes still a top pitcher and you can oay money. I cant agree with that thought. Well I think if we are going to do real life salaries , we should do it across the brd , why should a guy who has Scherzer have to have a contract on his payroll that doesn’t conform to everyone else’s payroll , especially if that’s the only way u can afford him Just to be clear, Scherzers real life salary is 35 million in 2019, 2020, 2021. But the money is deferred. Even though the money is deferred, that is still what his contract says. And we can easily know that for every player.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 20:09:19 GMT -6
Well I think if we are going to do real life salaries , we should do it across the brd , why should a guy who has Scherzer have to have a contract on his payroll that doesn’t conform to everyone else’s payroll , especially if that’s the only way u can afford him Just to be clear, Scherzers real life salary is 35 million in 2019, 2020, 2021. But the money is deferred. Even though the money is deferred, that is still what his contract says. And we can easily know that for every player. I understand this , I am merely saying , if I wanted Scherzer this year , I couldn’t afford 35 million unless money was kicked in to compensate the trade , however , under the deferred contract I could easily afford him and need no further money kicked in and I would have money to spare , ergo the point of a deferred contract
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Mar 16, 2019 20:45:01 GMT -6
Just to be clear, Scherzers real life salary is 35 million in 2019, 2020, 2021. But the money is deferred. Even though the money is deferred, that is still what his contract says. And we can easily know that for every player. I understand this , I am merely saying , if I wanted Scherzer this year , I couldn’t afford 35 million unless money was kicked in to compensate the trade , however , under the deferred contract I could easily afford him and need no further money kicked in and I would have money to spare , ergo the point of a deferred contract I understand that thought, the issue is teams moving money years down the line and then not being in the league any longer when it comes time to pay that money and a new owner is stuck. Something im absolutely not ok with is a team saying "i trade 20 mil a year for the next 3 years but its deferred to such n such years far into the future." Something with such a dire future consequence can only do harm to the league. It may seem like a pessimistic view, but it has to be taken into account. This is still a discussion. I will be putting both of these to a vote in the end.
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