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Post by Minnesota Twins on Dec 31, 2022 11:36:35 GMT -6
I propose we we make some changes to prospect lists.
I think that nearly everyone has experienced having to let a prospect go due to being over the prospect limit prior to really knowing what that player was gonna being to the table. My proposal will allow everyone to have a little more time to make those decisions. I think we need to increase the limits for prospects but in a little more complex way. Full proposal to come...
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Dec 31, 2022 12:03:00 GMT -6
Full proposal:: This might seem a little complicated but once we all get the hang of it, I think it'll be second nature just like anything else that seems complicated in this league lmao.
My proposal is that we add a 14 Man prospect roster, and I'll rename our current to "Prospect List". The prospect roster will be a maximum of 14 players, that have graduated your prospect list (crossed the 130ab/50ip thresholds).
The difference in this to how it was prior is that you can't call guys up unless they are on the 14 man prospect roster. So what we would do is decide on an extended AB/IP number, let's just use 390ab and 150 ip. At the end of the season, each team would have to make the decision on whether or not they wanted to keep prospects over the limits of 130ab/50ip but if they are under 390ab/150ip, they can be kept on the 14 man prospect roster rather than being forced to keep them on the ML roster or dropping them. In turn, if they are over 390/150, they still have the same decision to make: keep on ML roster or drop.
As far as guys under 130ab/50ip, they also would have to be promoted to the 14 man roster in order to be added to the ML roster.
As far as movement from the 14 man to the minors bench, we still would use the option system. I've always done 3 options per season. That will be changed to 5 options but it's 5 total options for a guys life as a prospect in the league.
EDIT:: We would also add more rounds to the Rookie Draft. It's currently 4 rounds. I had suggested 8 or 10? But people said that's too many, which is fine. 6 or 7 though feels like a good number. Minors draft can be moved to 4? Those numbers can be decided on in the coming weeks.
Current: 26 Man Roster Current: 3 Man Minors Bench ADD: 14 Man prospect roster Current: 60 Man Prospect List
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Dec 31, 2022 12:08:48 GMT -6
Oh and this would be retroactive to this year, allowing any team that dropped players to keep them on their 14 man prospect roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 12:16:16 GMT -6
Sounds like a good proposal to me
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Dec 31, 2022 12:17:22 GMT -6
Sounds good to me
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Post by Tampa Bay Rays on Dec 31, 2022 12:18:47 GMT -6
Yeah I like this idea
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Post by Milwaukee Brewers on Dec 31, 2022 12:33:55 GMT -6
I see pros and cons behind this, but I do like it.
Pros:
1. Allows a team that may be rebuilding, a little more time to see the prospects develop. In all truth, you may get 1 more season out of them, but that would help with 1 more year of data for the team manager to aid in the decision making process.
2. Brings the league 1 further step closer to the major league mirror that we’re all striving for. I like the idea of potentially (it’s all about your farm and when guys come up) having a minor league system that can aid the FAB process by calling a guy up for league minimum that may actually have more skill than someone on FAB. This is rare, but can still happen.
3. Makes the league deeper (both a pro and a con pending on how much work/research you put into it.
Cons:
1. Benefits those who have a deep farm system vs. Those who use picks/prospects to get their team better for each season. Yes I am aware this is a choice and guys may (or may not) change their prospect/pick mentality.
2. Could reduce the number of prospect/picks trades/transactions that happen during the season and off season. Then again, it could also increase the deals in the same breath if someone deals MLB talent for prospects and/or picks.
Questions:
1. What happens if a guy signs a contract during their rookie season i.e. Julio Rodriguez/Scott Kingery etc? A) would they have to be added to the Major League Roster? B) How would the salary cap work if they signs. Contract during their 1st year but do not exceed the criteria for the 14 man roster? i) Would they still be eligible for the prospect list? ii) How would their salary count toward the cap?
2. If you use all 5 ‘options’ do you either have to add them to the Major league squad or drop them at that time?
3. Would the Rookie and Minor draft add more rounds? A) Otherwise I have to ask the question as to why the necessity of change in this aspect?
4. Would the salary cap change at all? The ability to ‘call up’ this many prospects (i.e. if you called them all up at some point once) it would cost $8.4 million.
I am a big fan of this, just needed to pose some questions that may or may not help with this discussion.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Dec 31, 2022 13:01:08 GMT -6
Great questions, Bobby.
Questions:
1. What happens if a guy signs a contract during their rookie season i.e. Julio Rodriguez/Scott Kingery etc? I thought about this for a few minutes and to be honest, I don't think we'd need to change anything. They'd stay on the prospect roster at the minimum until they were over limits and would have to be called up. We've already experienced thus with the guys you've named and even wander Franco. Being realistic, those guys get their contract and they're in the show for max ABs/IPs the first year. I dont see any reason to change it. Worst case scenario is a guy gets an extra year on the 14 man. I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened with wander and I don't think that or that situation will have a big enough impact to ever need to change it.
A) would they have to be added to the Major League Roster? No.
B) How would the salary cap work if they signs. Contract during their 1st year but do not exceed the criteria for the 14 man roster? Leave em.
i) Would they still be eligible for the prospect list? Yes.
ii) How would their salary count toward the cap? Minimum.
2. If you use all 5 ‘options’ do you either have to add them to the Major league squad or drop them at that time? Theoretically, they could ride out their ABs/IPs on the minors bench but ultimately, yes, they will end up needing to be added to the 26 man ML roster or dropped.
3. Would the Rookie and Minor draft add more rounds? Yes, I made an edit to answer this.
A) Otherwise I have to ask the question as to why the necessity of change in this aspect? Exactly.
4. Would the salary cap change at all? The ability to ‘call up’ this many prospects (i.e. if you called them all up at some point once) it would cost $8.4 million. Oh shit, I didn't even think about the addition of money to the 14 man... this will need to be considered.
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Dec 31, 2022 13:50:08 GMT -6
I was thinking that 14 man would be treated just like the prospect roster as far as salary goes right? They don’t count towards the cap right?
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Dec 31, 2022 13:50:48 GMT -6
Full proposal:: This might seem a little complicated but once we all get the hang of it, I think it'll be second nature just like anything else that seems complicated in this league lmao. My proposal is that we add a 14 Man prospect roster, and I'll rename our current to "Prospect List". The prospect roster will be a maximum of 14 players, that have graduated your prospect list (crossed the 130ab/50ip thresholds). The difference in this to how it was prior is that you can't call guys up unless they are on the 14 man prospect roster. So what we would do is decide on an extended AB/IP number, let's just use 390ab and 150 ip. At the end of the season, each team would have to make the decision on whether or not they wanted to keep prospects over the limits of 130ab/50ip but if they are under 390ab/150ip, they can be kept on the 14 man prospect roster rather than being forced to keep them on the ML roster or dropping them. In turn, if they are over 390/150, they still have the same decision to make: keep on ML roster or drop. As far as guys under 130ab/50ip, they also would have to be promoted to the 14 man roster in order to be added to the ML roster. As far as movement from the 14 man to the minors bench, we still would use the option system. I've always done 3 options per season. That will be changed to 5 options but it's 5 total options for a guys life as a prospect in the league. EDIT:: We would also add more rounds to the Rookie Draft. It's currently 4 rounds. I had suggested 8 or 10? But people said that's too many, which is fine. 6 or 7 though feels like a good number. Minors draft can be moved to 4? Those numbers can be decided on in the coming weeks. Current: 26 Man Roster Current: 3 Man Minors Bench ADD: 14 Man prospect rosterCurrent: 60 Man Prospect List Currently in a discussuin where we're tossing around ideas for salaries for prospects. Maybe we implement a prospect salary cap/budget? If you have 60 players, at .6 (in the future it would increase to make up for the increase in minimums), that's 36 mil. So maybe we give everyone 40 mil? Or even just the minimum 36, and if a guy does sign a long term deal, it's up to the owner to either fit it in their prospect budget or move him up. Any thoughts welcome.
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Dec 31, 2022 13:55:47 GMT -6
I’m good either way. I would prefer it stay the same from a cap perspective where they don’t impact the cap, but it isn’t a big deal either way to me.
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Post by Boston Red Sox on Dec 31, 2022 19:56:54 GMT -6
Im good with the changes. Im good with it either way
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Post by Atlanta Braves on Jan 1, 2023 16:24:36 GMT -6
I like the idea for sure. Several valid questions but I do feel once the kinks are situated it would be good for the league
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 1, 2023 19:02:30 GMT -6
Tonight I'll start messing with sheets and we're gonna implement the 14 man prospect roster. I'll write everything out and specify on rules in the next day or so. Everyone will have a until the 14th to come on and change their POL decisions if they'd like.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 1, 2023 19:03:18 GMT -6
Also, this doesn't effect the minors draft, you'll still only be able to draft players under 130ab/50ip.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 1, 2023 19:24:32 GMT -6
We're gonna set the 14 man roster limits to 500 ABs and 150 IP. We discussed doing less innings for RPs but I just dont see that being a black and white sorta thing, way too many gray areas. So at least for now, we'll just stick to the 500/150.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 2, 2023 10:10:24 GMT -6
Rookie draft will be increased to 7 rounds and the minors draft will be increased to 4 rounds. The added years will be non tradeable through the 2024 season.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 2, 2023 10:13:40 GMT -6
Rookie draft will be increased to 7 rounds and the minors draft will be increased to 4 rounds. The added years will be non tradeable through the 2024 season. Both drafts will see the increase in rounds starting in 2023! Again, all increased rounds are non tradeable. But to be clear, I'm not saying you can't make a behind the scenes trade and then after the draft, post it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 21:22:11 GMT -6
I like it
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 3, 2023 14:36:27 GMT -6
Tonight I'll start messing with sheets and we're gonna implement the 14 man prospect roster. I'll write everything out and specify on rules in the next day or so. Everyone will have a until the 14th to come on and change their POL decisions if they'd like. Also, it needs to be noted that in order to move a guy to your minors bench, he has to be on the 14 man roster. So even if it's a guy that's under 130/50, you can promote him straight to the minors bench, but he has to have a spot on the 14 man. So when you post it, if you post to promote a player from the prospect list, he'll automatically be added to the 14 man as well. And if he's demoted, he will go back ro the prospect roster BUT can still be demoted back to the prospect list. Also, any prospect promoted to the minors bench will cost the minimum. If demoted, they will still cost the minimum for the rest of the season. If traded while they cost the minimum, the new owner will automatically have to pay the salary (the minimum).
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Jan 7, 2023 15:24:06 GMT -6
If anyone doesn't post an update on their prospects over limits, I will default to what they originally did.
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