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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 3, 2024 21:40:09 GMT -6
Our scoring feels a bit antiquated and flawed. I would like to propose a change PRIOR to the FA draft in advance of the season. Remain 7x7 H2H categories but optimize said cats. How about:
R HR SLG RBI OBP SB AVG // K K/BB W QS Saves+Holds ERA WHIP
1. SLG has an advantage over Total Bases in that it provides weighted performance, properly reflects power hitter's impact, and provides context of hitting ability and enhanced differentiation.
2. OBP has an advantage over scoring only walks in that it acts as a comprehensive hitting assessment, provides better recognition of plate discipline, encourages a more balanced approach, and provides a better reflection of real baseball value.
3. Combining Saves and Holds does not devalue the closer as prior league sentiment would allow you to believe. The average of the top 10 closers in 2023 provided 41% more value over the average of top 10 setup men in such a category. Holds are not equal to saves and should not be held as such. (see what I did there?)
4. K/BB is just an idea I had to bring pitching back to seven categories. Open to suggestions here, but definitely a solid stat to score.
Nothing here is too earth shattering. I feel like we could implement these now and not negatively impact how teams have been built. Teams across our league on average have 6.5 open roster spots at this time (not including my team with 1 lol).
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Post by Atlanta Braves on Feb 3, 2024 21:55:38 GMT -6
I like this idea here only other thing I would propose is dumping qs for another stat as qs is pretty much a thing of the past. Most guys don’t make it past 5ip. I do like the obp idea for sure I’m lot sure I like losing tb but not opposed to it. I’m good either way.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 3, 2024 21:56:28 GMT -6
I like this idea here only other thing I would propose is dumping qs for another stat as qs is pretty much a thing of the past. Most guys don’t make it past 5ip. I do like the obp idea for sure I’m lot sure I like losing tb but not opposed to it. I’m good either way. I'd be for dumping QS and replacing it with something better. Great idea! SLG is total bases/at bats in case anyone didn't know.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 3, 2024 22:15:39 GMT -6
Our scoring feels a bit antiquated and flawed. I would like to propose a change PRIOR to the FA draft in advance of the season. Remain 7x7 H2H categories but optimize said cats. How about: R HR SLG RBI OBP SB AVG // K K/BB W QS Saves+Holds ERA WHIP
1. SLG has an advantage over Total Bases in that it provides weighted performance, properly reflects power hitter's impact, and provides context of hitting ability and enhanced differentiation.
2. OBP has an advantage over scoring only walks in that it acts as a comprehensive hitting assessment, provides better recognition of plate discipline, encourages a more balanced approach, and provides a better reflection of real baseball value.
3. Combining Saves and Holds does not devalue the closer as prior league sentiment would allow you to believe. The average of the top 10 closers in 2023 provided 41% more value over the average of top 10 setup men in such a category. Holds are not equal to saves and should not be held as such. (see what I did there?)
4. K/BB is just an idea I had to bring pitching back to seven categories. Open to suggestions here, but definitely a solid stat to score.
Nothing here is too earth shattering. I feel like we could implement these now and not negatively impact how teams have been built. Teams across our league on average have 6.5 open roster spots at this time (not including my team with 1 lol).I'm pro this. But I am the one on the side saying that I think we've done too much team building this off-season and it should wait til next year. I'm pro all of it, to be clear. One minor tweak I'd like to see is Ks becoming K/9, even with K/BB, I see that being more valuable than total Ks.
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Feb 3, 2024 23:00:30 GMT -6
Post by New York Yankees on Feb 3, 2024 23:00:30 GMT -6
I like K/9, but I would rather see it replace QS and leave Ks in. Total Ks is where we flaunt the muscle of our ace pitching staffs, similar to HRs flaunting slugger muscle on the hitting side.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 3, 2024 23:13:12 GMT -6
Anti having 3 cats dedicated to Ks
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Post by Kansas City Royals on Feb 3, 2024 23:43:19 GMT -6
What about throwing in errors to be a tie breaker. Also think I prefer just walks to k/bb and quality starts are harder to come by but that also makes you focus more on solid top end starters more so than just throwing in middle relief pitchers that swipe a win.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 4, 2024 0:10:19 GMT -6
What about throwing in errors to be a tie breaker. Also think I prefer just walks to k/bb and quality starts are harder to come by but that also makes you focus more on solid top end starters more so than just throwing in middle relief pitchers that swipe a win. Agree agree agree on QS. Meant to comment on that as well. While QS are going away, they aren't gone. You still see plenty of QS each week. If we were gonna remove anything, I'd think we'd remove Ws. Which is kinda what it sounds like Logan is saying.
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Feb 4, 2024 7:33:18 GMT -6
I’m with Taylor on holding off on any changes until next year.
Having average and OBP seems like overkill to me. It just rewards average twice since average is the most important component of obp in my opinion. If we do this, I’d say just drop average and then we could drop k/bb. Make it a 6x6 scoring if we are combining saves and holds.
I still like total bases over slugging percentage. I don’t really see the difference in slugging vs total bases other than total bases rewards a depth of good hitters. I don’t want to incentivize gimmicky strategies like that by getting rid of 2 categories that reward depth at pitching and hitting. We’ve seen too many instances where teams have a few good days and then sit their whole pitching staff because they already locked up era and whip and that’s all they needed to win with their hitters. I’m in favor of keeping categories like ks and total bases over slugging and k/bb to ensure we don’t incentivize teams to do this in the future too.
I’m in favor of changes, but I’d prefer a 6x6 league. Keep pitching categories the same except combine saves and holds. Keep hitting categories the same except combine walks and average into one OBP category.
Good suggestions to improve the league either way slade!
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 4, 2024 8:53:04 GMT -6
While I agree that the other stat changes I mentioned could certainly use discussion and would benefit from implementation next offseason, I would love to see saves/holds combined prior to this season. I see it as our most egregious scoring error.
We could leave the batting alone and add another agreed upon stat for pitching, or we could combine walks and average into OBP.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 4, 2024 9:02:24 GMT -6
I’m with Taylor on holding off on any changes until next year. Having average and OBP seems like overkill to me. It just rewards average twice since average is the most important component of obp in my opinion. If we do this, I’d say just drop average and then we could drop k/bb. Make it a 6x6 scoring if we are combining saves and holds. I still like total bases over slugging percentage. I don’t really see the difference in slugging vs total bases other than total bases rewards a depth of good hitters. I don’t want to incentivize gimmicky strategies like that by getting rid of 2 categories that reward depth at pitching and hitting. We’ve seen too many instances where teams have a few good days and then sit their whole pitching staff because they already locked up era and whip and that’s all they needed to win with their hitters. I’m in favor of keeping categories like ks and total bases over slugging and k/bb to ensure we don’t incentivize teams to do this in the future too. I’m in favor of changes, but I’d prefer a 6x6 league. Keep pitching categories the same except combine saves and holds. Keep hitting categories the same except combine walks and average into one OBP category.Good suggestions to improve the league either way slade! In regards to the bold part above, I believe thats what I tried getting passed in the past and it was voted down, so I personally would vote for this outcome if we went 6x6.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 4, 2024 9:06:44 GMT -6
It got voted down because we didn't dig up stats to understand that even in a combined holds/saves category, closers are more valuable than setup guys as they obtain more saves than the latter obtain holds.
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Post by Chicago Cubs on Feb 4, 2024 13:29:37 GMT -6
I’d be fine combining saves and holds in one and average and walks into OBP this season. That doesn’t really change any of the planning I've put in so far this offseason.
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Post by Kansas City Royals on Feb 4, 2024 14:52:49 GMT -6
What if saves were worth 1.5 and holds 1.0. Otherwise going into this season I’m just wasting money on Diaz. Saves are harder to get than holds and it should be rewarded
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 4, 2024 15:09:05 GMT -6
What if saves were worth 1.5 and holds 1.0. Otherwise going into this season I’m just wasting money on Diaz. Saves are harder to get than holds and it should be rewarded And this goes back to where I think we've gotten too close to the season to implement any new scoring rules. With that said, I love the discussion, but there's clearly a lot more to discuss and not a lot of time. We have less than a month til the FA draft and roughly a month til Spring straining starts. While I would definitely like to see scoring changed, I can say up front my vote will be to table this and discuss it in full at the beginning of next off-season.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 4, 2024 15:09:29 GMT -6
What if saves were worth 1.5 and holds 1.0. Otherwise going into this season I’m just wasting money on Diaz. Saves are harder to get than holds and it should be rewarded Sorry, also, that's not a possibility on ESPN.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 4, 2024 15:50:42 GMT -6
What if saves were worth 1.5 and holds 1.0. Otherwise going into this season I’m just wasting money on Diaz. Saves are harder to get than holds and it should be rewarded This is simply false. Healthy Diaz would be an elite source of Saves/Holds, greater than most any setup man. I truly fail to see the difference between implementing November vs Now. Nothing has changed aside from a minors draft. Nobody drafted minors players for relief pitching.
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