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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 11:18:21 GMT -6
Poll for category change. Further category changes will be revisited next offseason.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 7, 2024 11:40:44 GMT -6
Full disclosure, my vote is the same as what I've been saying the whole time, I just think we've gotten to close to the season and too many roster moves have been made. I'm still for scoring changes, just not til next season.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 11:46:15 GMT -6
To counter Taylor's point, I looked over offseason moves and found no appreciable roster changes that would be affected by this scoring change.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 7, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -6
To counter Taylor's point, I looked over offseason moves and found no appreciable roster changes that would be affected by this scoring change. But any change can be affected by these changes. If you're an owner that only has targeted holds hoping to acquire that 1 category, you now, not only lose holds because it's gone but you run a very serious risk of losing saves+holds considering we've already seen the numbers and saves guys get more. It absolutely affects prior roster construction. I'm not that guy this year but most years, I target holds. Completely punting saves. That's not as viable of a strat when moving to saves+holds. And I'm gonna die on this hill š am I for the changes? Yes. But when we hit a fresh off-season.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 11:56:27 GMT -6
Prior roster construction, yes. Offseason, no. By your statement, there is realistically no correct time to implement changes unless you set a distant date of implementation and allow teams to work toward it.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 7, 2024 11:59:42 GMT -6
Prior roster construction, yes. Offseason, no. By your statement, there is realistically no correct time to implement changes unless you set a distant date of implementation and allow teams to work toward it. I don't see it that way but I guess theoretically, yea. And the distant date is the beginning of next off-season lmao.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 12:03:58 GMT -6
It would have to be set in stone now lol.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 7, 2024 12:05:22 GMT -6
It would have to be set in stone now lol. Why change it now though when we already know there's further intentions to look at other scoring changes?
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 12:10:36 GMT -6
It's seems to be well received/less debated and gets rid of holds being equal to home runs, which is just silly. It's like asking "Why add bacon to my potato now, when I can add it with cheese and sour cream as later?" I WANT SOME BACON
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 7, 2024 12:35:53 GMT -6
It's seems to be well received/less debated and gets rid of holds being equal to home runs, which is just silly. It's like asking "Why add bacon to my potato now, when I can add it with cheese and sour cream as later?" I WANT SOME BACON The voters will vote. I also want some bacon..? So.
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Post by Kansas City Royals on Feb 7, 2024 13:18:15 GMT -6
I believe that it's more so the team construction and not the trades that need to be looked at. If we are doing saves and holds as one category, then I would have dropped Edwin Diaz at the end of last year where I wouldn't have to carry his cost into this year. Moving to a combination of stat categories will cause everyone that has a high cost closer to drop them this year because the cost to contribution just does not make sense. I think it needs to go into effect (if we do it at all) after this year to give everyone opportunities to adjust their team structure to start next year where you can drop that high dollar closer if you chose to do that.
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Post by New York Yankees on Feb 7, 2024 16:12:29 GMT -6
I believe that it's more so the team construction and not the trades that need to be looked at. If we are doing saves and holds as one category, then I would have dropped Edwin Diaz at the end of last year where I wouldn't have to carry his cost into this year. Moving to a combination of stat categories will cause everyone that has a high cost closer to drop them this year because the cost to contribution just does not make sense. I think it needs to go into effect (if we do it at all) after this year to give everyone opportunities to adjust their team structure to start next year where you can drop that high dollar closer if you chose to do that. In the 2023 season, for a combined category, the top ten closers on average provided 41% more saves/holds than the top ten setup men on average. So you're telling me, that winning 1 out of 14 categories (7x7) with an expensive reliever is more important than winning 1 out of 12 (with 6x6) categories with the same reliever? You're going to have to explain your take here, because I must be missing something.
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Post by Cincinnati Reds on Feb 7, 2024 16:18:31 GMT -6
Iām fine discussing scoring changes, but I think the discussion should happen at the end of the season.
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Post by Minnesota Twins on Feb 8, 2024 11:49:22 GMT -6
The stats changes will wait til next year.
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